More TVI Express supporters denying truth in front of their eyes

I posted a scathing comment of an existing TVI Express review that was posted months ago. The author clearly had not came back to update it... but someone else did... a "Mike Johnson"

Mike Johnson... MJ... You don't supposed he's related to EmJay07, the debater who argued himself into a corner, that he should be banned from TVI Express for stealing TVI Express material, something that TVI Express website says you should not do?

But any way, here is what MJ wrote, and my point by point rebuttal.

@kschang,
1. It is clearly mentioned in their Terms & Conditions that any taxes and processing charges have to be borne by the members and the same is mentioned in their latest announcement too. Donna did post the links to their announcements which state so, so everything is mentioned if you read more properly.

And my reply was

A1) "clearly mentioned in their Terms & Conditions that any taxes and processing charges have to be borne by the members" No it did not. It did mention hotel taxes, and some surcharges if exchange rates change, or if suppliers raised prices, but no such thing as "processing fee". It may now, but it did not before.
Here's a view of the certificate itself. No mention of any such charges as "taxes and processing fee".
http://hispanotviexpress.blogspot.com/2009/12/que-

(scroll down to the certificate, and terms and conditions. This is circa December 2009)

And here's the certificate itself:

No mention of any such thing as "processing fee", is there?  The announcement is AFTER the fact, and there's nothing in the announcement that the stuff can be applied retroactively. What sort of company would **** its members by charging them $150 for something that had been free?

IMHO, any one still defending TVI Express over this $150 fee is a weasel, but then, that's IMHO only. You may agree or disagree. That is up to you. 

2. TVI Express hired a Sydney based professional attorney to render support to the alleged members and FYI, all the court orders have been evaded. Also, ACCC has initiated investigations on all the major MLM cos. so far, to name a few - ACN , Amway and many many more. It may shock you a little but ACCC were defeated in the court for all such cases.

And my reply was:

A2) "It may shock you a little but ACCC were defeated in the court for all such cases."

That's because you can't count. A majority of ACCC investigations were settled out of court. ACCC's record in 2008-2009 is a matter of public record, but that is not really relevant. ACN pays its distributors ONLY IF THEIR CUSTOMER BUY SOMETHING. ACCC even acknowledged that in their appeal. That makes ACN fundamentally different from TVI Express. TVI Express has no customers, only members. Besides, ACN opened its books and cooperated fully with ACCC. Thus, comparing ACN to TVI Express only shows how much of a fraud TVI Express is. 

 And to expand upon that answer a little bit... ACCC explains why it lost the ACN case:

"... because if the recruiter does no more than recruit other participants there is no entitlement to any payment;"

In other words, if ACN recruiter only recruit (but the recruits don't buy anything) the recruiter does NOT get paid.

In TVI Express, you get paid by recruiting (or cycling, whatever). It's the only way you can advance up the board/ matrix/ whatchamacallit. You don't need to sell anything to get paid.

Thus, comparing TVI Express to ACN is complete bogus.

3. "The three people sentenced for imprisonment in China" is an absolute rumour. Please update yourself.

Now that is starring truth in the eye and refuse to acknowledge. Instead of trying to verify the information himself, he flatly denies it, with "you must be mistaken". Unfortunately, he thought he can bluff me, but I actually have the links:

Sure, updated. SIX TVI Express members convicted. 3 sentenced to jail.

Shanxi ordered confiscation of property of THREE TVI Express members, fined $200000 RMB
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daynews.com.cn%2Fscdb%2Flb%2F921863.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

Two convicted in Chan-An for TVI Express fraud aimed at retirees, sentenced to 6 months and 18 months in jail
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://bxtz.newssc.org/system/2010/05/21/012732111.shtml

Dongtou public security arrested TVI Express recruiter for defrauding public, sentenced to jail
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://dt.66wz.com/Article/mssd/2009-10/28/10_38_58_330.html

That is 3 convicted, no jail term, 2 arrested and sentenced, then 1 arrested and sentenced.

Don't bluff when you don't have the right cards. 

You can see how TVI Express members, instead of asking nicely "can you please provide some links?", they just flatout accuse you of spreading rumors.

And here's another interesting fact... The speaker's native language is NOT American English, despite his pseudonym "Mike Johnson". He used "rumour" and "you read more properly". That sort of diction would make him... either British, or someone taught British English... Such as an Indian.

And finally, MJ wrote:

4. I dont't know if they have a Virtual Office but what's the fuss about even if they do? Most of the companies do and this is nothing new. They have full fledged offices in India and Indonesia and are going to announce more Support Centers soon. But guess paranoid minds get the urges to overlook the "good"

 And my reply is:

A4) "I dont't know if they have a Virtual Office but what's the fuss about even if they do? Most of the companies do and this is nothing new. They have full fledged offices in India and Indonesia"

Then they LIED about being "headquartered" in London. What does that say about the trustworthiness of the company? You gave a really "weasel" answer, you know. Do you read Dilbert?

According to MJ, it doesn't matter to him whether the company lied about where its headquarter is or not. "What's the big fuss" was his words (again, NOT American English). In fact, he claims it's "common practice". he clearly does not care about a company's reputation. As long as TVI Express pay ("the good"), you should overlook all its foibles.

We all have questions and it's good to be curious but then we need to look at the good virtues and render support to a company like TVI Express which is growing exponentially and in literal sense touching lives globally, instead of picking on it like an over-mature-over-paranoid mind.

According to MJ here, you are supposed to ignore all the bad points. If you study the bad points you are "over-paranoid". You need to look only "at the good virtues". Should you? That is up to you to decide. However, he gave you four bogus rebuttals, which I was able to pierce one by one. Given his track record, should you taken his advice that you should believe only the positive and ignore the negative?

According to previous classification standard, MJ has traits from all three breeds of TVI Express supporters... mostly denier, some debater, and a bit of "evangelical", but with a hint of "maniac" as he urges you to IGNORE all the bad points.