Checking up on an ex-TVI... Dave Kettner

Dave Kettner claims to be network marketer since 1998, and he's very excited about his current biz... sell "chewable" vitamins.  Clearly, he's not excited enough to put it actually in his "current" job, but instead, left the dead TVI Express bogus scam position as his "current" job.

Even that "team" he belonged to, "triumph together" is long dead.

But what else was he excited about? According to his Internet activity, he's only excited about potential scams.

In July 2011 he was promoting ZeekRewards, a suspect Ponzi scheme, which according to him, is promising 1.2% DAILY return.

Searching for that phone number he gave brought up a link to "Diamond Holiday", a clone of TVI Express scam:

Why is it that once a person joins a pyramid scheme, they almost always join another one?

More TVI Express Filipinos in denial

Yet ANOTHER Filipino came to 'defend' TVI Express, except he has nothing new to say, except trot out the fallacy: "if it pays, it must be legit."

First of all, to disprove the falsehood "if it pays, it must be legit", one only needs to give a simple counter-example where this is NOT true: Bernard Madoff's Decade-long Ponzi Scheme that involved BILLIIONS of dollars.

But let's rehash a bit on how TVI Express pyramid scheme works...

In a 1-2-4-8 pyramid, i.e. 2x3 forced matrix, if each person paid $250 into the system, then 15 people would have paid $3750 into the system.

And TVI Express pay you back a lousy $500, and none of that is real money. It's $250 in eWallet, and $250 in a "membership voucher code" which you must sell to a new member. In other words, TVI Express turned you into an accomplice of its scam. You are DIRECTLY PAID, NEW MEMBER PAYING OLD MEMBER. This PROVES it is a pyramid scheme.

So how do you get the $10000? We've done the math before, but let's do it again. Every person that moved to "Express Board" must have "cycled out" of the Traveler board, which is that 15-person pyramid shown earlier. So total people in the scam is 15x15, or 225, and amount of money in system is $56250. ($250*225)

From that, you subtract $10000 for the payout, plus 15x500 (let's assume those are cash, instead of stupid eWallet for the money), total payout is $17500. TVI Express profit is $38750.

From which, they can easily put $10000 to 20000 to pay for a FEW trips (not 225 trips, maybe 50 to 100) and pocket the rest as their "profit", without having sold ANYTHING (other than the right to participate in this scam, i.e. "membership"). Those who got the trips will be talking up TVI Express and entice more people to join. Then when money starts getting tight, they'll start giving people the run-around, and when the government started to crack down (like in Indonesia) they now have legitimate reason not to give out ANY TRIPS, more money they can keep in their pockets!

Remember, in a pyramid scheme, even if you manage to get a big payout, you did it on the backs of the people you recruited. THEY PAID INTO the system so you can take money OUT. For them to take money out, even MORE VICTIMS must pay into the system. The more disparate the ratio of payout (put in $250, get $10000), the more victims you must recruit.

Furthermore, a business can be registered to pay taxes and registered as a corporation, but still operate illegally with an illegal business model. In the US, you can register a corporation for $100, and get a Federal Tax ID for free. It doesn't mean your business MODEL is legal. It just means it is "legally registered".

Yet TVI Express believers want you to think that if TVI Express provided proper documentation to the government (legally registered), they must be operating legally.The problem here is, legally means two separate things. Operating legally here actually means they did all the company is supposed to do when they operate: get tax ID and establish corporation if needed. However, that TVI Express want you to think is "legally" in the sense that "it is not fraudulent".

Or to give you a different example: let's say I was driving and was stopped by police. They check my ID. My ID is valid.

So my ID is legal.

They give me a speeding ticket for driving too fast.

My ID is still legal. However, I was not driving legally.

See the difference?

TVI Express wants you to think that because they have IDed themselves to the government, they must be operating legally.

In reality, allt hat proves is they have followed THAT ONE provision of the law that requries company to operate to do certaint hings, such as register with the government. It does NOT MEAN that the company's business model is legal or legitimate.

Yet that is what TVI Express promoters, such as Jaboangga here, want you to think: just because TVI Express registered with Filipino government, it must be operating legally, except "legally" here means "complied with requirements to registere company", but Jaboangga want you to think legally means "not fraudulent".

THAT intentional misinterpretation is yet ANOTHER fraud.

TVI Express continues to infect Filipino minds with their drivel

Following comment was left at one of my Hubpages hub (references to the left)

ellen  (links to "bedofmoney.com") posted 05-AUG-2011 from IP address 121.54.25.14In TVI express, you have to work if you want to earn money. Build up your team and workout with your board through referral. I guess that's the essence of MLM business. People will earn through network of people.. Those people who think negatively regarding about network marketing, you need to undergo mindsetting for you will never attract people to join and absolutely you will not attract money.. TVI express is earning $1.3 million per day. The company is an affiliate of other online business companies. In fact, TVI express has an airlines itself called royal pacific airways. You need to understand the business and do not wish to join if you dont understand it.

Let's analyze the sentences one by one

In TVI express, you have to work if you want to earn money. Build up your team and workout with your board through referral. 

Because TVI Express doesn't sell anything (indeed, their own FAQ until recently specifically said you don't need to sell anything, and even now it doesn't actually say what you need to sell), "ellen" just described a pyramid scheme: refer people to get paid.

I guess that's the essence of MLM business. People will earn through network of people.. 

Wrong. That's the essence of a PYRAMID SCHEME (i.e. money game / Ponzi scheme, etc.) The essence of MLM business is selling things (cosmetics, nutritional supplements, cookware, etc.) through a network of sales people and recruiting sales people to add to the sales.

By now, one realizes that Ellen had been spoon fed and is now totally addicted to the pseudo-MLM scam, and actually believed it's MLM, which is confirmed by her next statement

Those people who think negatively regarding about network marketing, you need to undergo mindsetting for you will never attract people to join and absolutely you will not attract money.. 

She had described a pyramid scheme, not MLM, and she claims I am negative on MLM. Wrong! I am negative on SCAMS AND FRAUDS that PRETENDS to be MLM.

TVI express is earning $1.3 million per day.

And this is documented where? Since it doesn't sell anything except membership, that actually proves it is a FRAUD... much like that OTHER scam in India that had its COO arrested.

The company is an affiliate of other online business companies

And I am an affiliate of eBay, Google, and Amazon through a few links to ads and books. So what? This proves nothing.

TVI express has an airlines itself called royal pacific airways.

No it doesn't. There's some phantom claim by TVI Express, and was NEVER confirmed by any newspaper or by the airline itself (which has yet to purchase a plane). Also, it's called "Pacific Royale", not Royal Pacific.

You need to understand the business and do not wish to join if you dont understand it.

It is you who do not understand the business, Ellen. It is NOT MLM. MLM is legal and sells things. TVI Express is not legal, and sells membership to itself.