Dave Kettner claims to be network marketer since 1998, and he's very excited about his current biz... sell "chewable" vitamins. Clearly, he's not excited enough to put it actually in his "current" job, but instead, left the dead TVI Express bogus scam position as his "current" job.
Even that "team" he belonged to, "triumph together" is long dead.
But what else was he excited about? According to his Internet activity, he's only excited about potential scams.
In July 2011 he was promoting ZeekRewards, a suspect Ponzi scheme, which according to him, is promising 1.2% DAILY return.
Searching for that phone number he gave brought up a link to "Diamond Holiday", a clone of TVI Express scam:
Why is it that once a person joins a pyramid scheme, they almost always join another one?
TVI Express scam exposed, lies busted, truth revealed. What TVI Express and members do NOT want you to know. No marketing, no recruiting, just information, analysis, and commentary.
Showing posts with label Pyramid scheme. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pyramid scheme. Show all posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012
Why would any one put TVI Express in their resume?
TVI Express has been proven a scam on every continent in the world except Antarctica. So why would any one put it in their resume?
Yet if you looked on LinkedIn, you can still find remnants of people "advertising" their TVI Express affiliation. Here's profile that belongs to this "Karen Stanley".
As TVI Express had been dead in the US since 2010, she's clearly unemployed, or never bothered to update her LinkedIn profile ever since.
Yet if you looked on LinkedIn, you can still find remnants of people "advertising" their TVI Express affiliation. Here's profile that belongs to this "Karen Stanley".
As TVI Express had been dead in the US since 2010, she's clearly unemployed, or never bothered to update her LinkedIn profile ever since.
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Wednesday, May 30, 2012
More Indonesia TVI Express "leaders" went into hiding
Another Indonesia TVI Express "leader" went into hiding when the pyramid scheme collapsed in Indonesia after the government yanked the business license last year. His victims will not stand by and see their money disappear, so they enlisted help of an NGO to help make their case. Selected highlights from the article autotranslated by Google
Following link is in Indonesian:
http://padangekspres.co.id/?news=berita&id=29124
Pasbar, PADEK -Hundreds of members ( member ) PT TVI Express is incorporated in Jayasman Group Pasbar they feel cheated by the Group Jayasman. Miliran money has been paid member until now no clear end of the following base keutungan promised.
Despite peace efforts with the Jayadisman but to no avail. Finally, members of the PT TVI take legal action.Previously they were reported to Mapolres Pasbar but there is no bright spots. Then direct them to the District Attorney Simpangampek.-----
Separately, Head of the State Attorney Pidsus Simpangampek, Herman Syafrudianto when confirmedPadang Express Monday confirmed the report of the NGO Format Pasbar 42/LSM-FORMAT/V-2012 letters correspond to numbers. "Yes, we have received the report and we will process in accordance with applicable law," said Herman.
Meanwhile, Jayasman until now has not managed to find. Even when met at his house also was not in place.When contacted via his cell, was never raised.
Following link is in Indonesian:
http://padangekspres.co.id/?news=berita&id=29124
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Monday, May 28, 2012
More Indonesia TVI Express Victims go to police
Following news about TVI Express fraud in Sumatra was auto-translated by Google. Here is a link to the original article in Indonesia.
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Monday, May 21, 2012
NEWSFLASH: Australia Federal Court fined TVI Team Oz $200000 AUD
Australian Federal Court had previously declared TVI Team Oz, the trio promoting TVI Express in Australia and New Zealand, guilty of promoting a pyramid scheme. It had just handed down the penalty: fine of $200000 Australian dollars (90K, 80K and 30K respectively) against the three members.
The court rejected one member's claim that she should not be fined because she is merely a victim.
The court also rejected another member's claim that she was not "warned" that pyramid schemes are illegal.
Apparently the third member was smart enough to shut up and make things even worse.
The court rejected one member's claim that she should not be fined because she is merely a victim.
The court also rejected another member's claim that she was not "warned" that pyramid schemes are illegal.
Apparently the third member was smart enough to shut up and make things even worse.
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Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Why are people posting ads promoting a DEAD TVI Express Feeder?
I've seen this "Way to TVI Express" feeder for many months now.
It's not even TVI Express, but a separate "feeder" that's a 2x2 matrix (i.e. 1-2-4 pyramid) that you pay to get in, recruit enough people, and if you make it out, they pay your $250+ fee TVI Express membership. In other words, it's a pyramid scheme that feeds you into another pyramid scheme.
Just in the past week, people have put up over 650 entries on it, and that's just those found by Google:
But why are they promoting a dead website? If you go to waytotvi.com, you get:
The website's dead, folks. You're promoting a fresh corpse.
It's not even TVI Express, but a separate "feeder" that's a 2x2 matrix (i.e. 1-2-4 pyramid) that you pay to get in, recruit enough people, and if you make it out, they pay your $250+ fee TVI Express membership. In other words, it's a pyramid scheme that feeds you into another pyramid scheme.
Just in the past week, people have put up over 650 entries on it, and that's just those found by Google:
But why are they promoting a dead website? If you go to waytotvi.com, you get:
The website's dead, folks. You're promoting a fresh corpse.
Related articles
- NEWSFLASH: Saudi TVI Express members faked fatwa claiming TVI Express is allowed (kschang.blogspot.com)
- More TVI Express Spam from Filipino TVI Express member (kschang.blogspot.com)
- The Cheerful TVI Express Denial-ist (kschang.blogspot.com)
Saturday, February 4, 2012
Tracking Down TVI Express Supporter Alamin
About 4 months ago (that would make it... October 2011), a certain "Alamin94" showed up at one of my hubs, and is quiet friendly, claims to be "international diamond" of TVI Express, is from Bangladesh, have gotten paid (so he claimed), and basically quite enjoyed his "success" at TVI Express.
Needless to say, I reminded him that none of that indicates that TVI Express is legal.
It is interesting that he registered a Hubpages account just to post comments, and it was only used ONCE, to post ONE comment on my hub. Subsequent comments were posted NOT using the account, but simply through e-mail address. He never published any hub, so his Hubpages profile is completely blank.
Any way, so I wondered, how is he doing now? So I did a search, and found his full name and contact info on Facebook:
Wow, he's putting EVERYTHING online... name, mailing address, phone number e-mail, and his TVI Express affiliate link.
He even put up a "fan of the week", except he doesn't have one every week. Just read his wall.
And his profile pix? Made with FREE tool, says so right on his page:
"Created with Free version of Pagemodo"
Guess he's saving his money he earned with TVI Express for something else.
Or perhaps he didn't really get paid, and his claimed "earnings" was just his "e-Wallet" figures?
Since TVI Express is not a bank, is eWallet even legal? But he doesn't care. He thinks he got paid.
His wall claims that TVI Express Bangladesh was about to launch back in August 2011. So where is it now?
Needless to say, I reminded him that none of that indicates that TVI Express is legal.
It is interesting that he registered a Hubpages account just to post comments, and it was only used ONCE, to post ONE comment on my hub. Subsequent comments were posted NOT using the account, but simply through e-mail address. He never published any hub, so his Hubpages profile is completely blank.
Any way, so I wondered, how is he doing now? So I did a search, and found his full name and contact info on Facebook:
Wow, he's putting EVERYTHING online... name, mailing address, phone number e-mail, and his TVI Express affiliate link.
He even put up a "fan of the week", except he doesn't have one every week. Just read his wall.
And his profile pix? Made with FREE tool, says so right on his page:
"Created with Free version of Pagemodo"
Guess he's saving his money he earned with TVI Express for something else.
Or perhaps he didn't really get paid, and his claimed "earnings" was just his "e-Wallet" figures?
Since TVI Express is not a bank, is eWallet even legal? But he doesn't care. He thinks he got paid.
His wall claims that TVI Express Bangladesh was about to launch back in August 2011. So where is it now?
Thursday, January 12, 2012
TVI Express Alexa dips below 14000
A few months ago, TVI Express claimed their Alexa rank was up to 5000.
Now it's at 15000 and dropping fast. Only its 3 month average kept it at 12000.
it is, however, quite popular in Russia, but then, we knew Russians have a love for pyramid schemes.
Now it's at 15000 and dropping fast. Only its 3 month average kept it at 12000.
it is, however, quite popular in Russia, but then, we knew Russians have a love for pyramid schemes.
Tuesday, January 3, 2012
Mom's Marketing? Another Spamticle site reviving Zombie TVI Express Video Spam
Spamticle sites are all over the Internet, all claims to have an unique angle on something. Here's another network marketing blog aimed at moms working at home. Too bad they are promoting the TVI Express SCAM!
Who is Dwayne Pyle, self-proclaimed "marketing visionary"? This is from his own website:
What's interesting is the linked to video was only very recently uploaded: October 31st, 2011.
In the video, Mr. Dwayne Pyle was quoted stating:
"TVI Express has been around a few years, and is a company with integrity. So any one who say this is a scam is probably somebody won't don't know how to leverage..."
Can you then explain why TVI Express was issued a "cease and desist" by State of Georgia, Mr. Pyle?
How about named on "Scam Alert" by ABC2 News of Maryland back in 2010?
You, Mr. Dwayne Pyle, has a very stupid vision, where scam is a good business opportunity. Now that Australia has formally declared TVI Express as a pyramid scheme and CONVICTED three TVI Express reps as pyramid scheme scammers, it just proves you are full of ****.
Who is Dwayne Pyle, self-proclaimed "marketing visionary"? This is from his own website:
What's interesting is the linked to video was only very recently uploaded: October 31st, 2011.
In the video, Mr. Dwayne Pyle was quoted stating:
"TVI Express has been around a few years, and is a company with integrity. So any one who say this is a scam is probably somebody won't don't know how to leverage..."
Can you then explain why TVI Express was issued a "cease and desist" by State of Georgia, Mr. Pyle?
How about named on "Scam Alert" by ABC2 News of Maryland back in 2010?
You, Mr. Dwayne Pyle, has a very stupid vision, where scam is a good business opportunity. Now that Australia has formally declared TVI Express as a pyramid scheme and CONVICTED three TVI Express reps as pyramid scheme scammers, it just proves you are full of ****.
Friday, December 23, 2011
Another Minister Pushing TVI Express, and attracting spam
Previously we found Rev Dailey pushing TVI Express. Though later he wrote back claiming that he haven't been involved in TVI Express for YEARS.
Now we found another "minister" using his religious connections to push MLM and Matrix Schemes, such as TVI Express and One24. The TVI Express link? Goes straight to his TVI referral link.
And he quotes Bible liberally to justify his works. He doesn't seem to care that most of his comments came from bots.
Well, Johnny De... Here's a couple Bible quotes right back at you:
In fact, I think somewhere in the Bible it says you need to pay back the damages, WITH INTEREST, THEN ask for God's forgiveness.
See what a real Bible Scholar have to say about Pyramid Schemes (yes, I borrowed those quotes):
http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=159
Now we found another "minister" using his religious connections to push MLM and Matrix Schemes, such as TVI Express and One24. The TVI Express link? Goes straight to his TVI referral link.
And he quotes Bible liberally to justify his works. He doesn't seem to care that most of his comments came from bots.
Well, Johnny De... Here's a couple Bible quotes right back at you:
- "Be not deceived, God is not mocked, whatsoever a man sows, that he shall also reap.” (Galatians 6:7)
- “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” (Matthew 7:12).
- “A good name is better than great riches.” (Proverbs 22:1)
- “The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.” (1 Timothy 6:10).
In fact, I think somewhere in the Bible it says you need to pay back the damages, WITH INTEREST, THEN ask for God's forgiveness.
See what a real Bible Scholar have to say about Pyramid Schemes (yes, I borrowed those quotes):
http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=159
Wednesday, December 7, 2011
OLD NEWS: More TVI Express Scammers Convicted in China
This news actually came out in November, but I had to verify it's not a duplicate:
Be On Guard against "British tourist TVI Express" Network Marketing
Yichang Xiling Public Security Bureau announced yesterday, it has destroyed a " British TVI Express Travel company " which was engaging in illegal Internet pyramid scheme activities, a Mr. Liu, suspected of organizing the pyramid scheme has been approved for arrest by the prosecution.
October 23, Xiling Public Security Bureau received a public report, that a person participated in the "British tourist TVI Express" e-commerce activities, but can not receive the benefits associated with the promise of service. He suspect he was cheated, and ask for police investigation. Bureau of Economic Investigation Squadron realized this is a clue to an important network of illegal pyramid activity, then developed a "step by step, solid evidence, catch ringleader" detection program.
August 26, Xiling police arrested Liu, who was suspected of organizing and leading the "British tourist TVI Express," the so-called new e-commerce activities. Liu confessed to illegal pyramid scheme. Recently, the Xiling District, Yichang City People's Procuratorate, Liu was arrested for sentencing.
The investigation, from April last year, Liu (alias: Liu Lu, female, 39, Han nationality, Yichang) was introduced by Lin (male, 27 years old, Zhejiang, fugitive) Liu invested 1897 yuan in the "British TVI Express Travel Company" network marketing organization. Subsequently, Liu started madly recruiting downline at Huaqiang Building, 603 Yichang Road, and other locations. Just pay 1897 yuan for travel card, "British tourist TVI Express" member, may stay free in the domestic five-star hotel seven days six nights and enjoy global travel discounts. If you sponsor enough downlines you can get 500 U.S. dollars prize money, 15,000 US Dollars, as bait, made herself "gold level member" in two months, the cumulative development of downline members up to 658 recruits and nearly 60000 yuan profit.
According to the police, the case involving large number victims of more than 60 years of age or older, in which many victims under the spell of Liu and others, cheated of their life savings, the department have this this case "top pyramid scheme of YiChang".
Related articles
- NEWSFLASH: TVI Express officially convicted as pyramid scheme in Australia (kschang.blogspot.com)
- NEWSFLASH: Lesotho warns Public AGAIN: TVI Express is an illegal scam (kschang.blogspot.com)
Tuesday, December 6, 2011
TVI Express Spam Reached... Google Answers? In ARABIC?
It's amazing what sort of places you can find TVI Express spam... Here's an example of TVI Express spam in Arabic, on Google Answers, Arabic version, called ejabat.google.com. The original is in Arabic, so the following is a screenshot of the automatically translated version:
It is so sad that Saleh do not realize that pyramid scheme is haram, and TVI Express is a pyramid scheme. A Malaysian scholar had gone over all the issues and concluded that MLM in general (and especially pyramid schemes) are haram. You can read his article (it's in English) here:
http://zaharuddin.net/senarai-lengkap-artikel/38/262-multi-level-marketing--shariah-view.html
It is so sad that Saleh do not realize that pyramid scheme is haram, and TVI Express is a pyramid scheme. A Malaysian scholar had gone over all the issues and concluded that MLM in general (and especially pyramid schemes) are haram. You can read his article (it's in English) here:
http://zaharuddin.net/senarai-lengkap-artikel/38/262-multi-level-marketing--shariah-view.html
Related articles
- TVI Express Spams Wikidot (kschang.blogspot.com)
- Some Egyptians are Deceived by TVI fake award again (kschang.blogspot.com)
- NEWSFLASH: TVI Express officially convicted as pyramid scheme in Australia (kschang.blogspot.com)
- MLM and Pyramid Scheme are outlawed by Islam (kschang.blogspot.com)
Tuesday, November 29, 2011
NEWSFLASH: TVI Express officially convicted as pyramid scheme in Australia
telegraph.com.au reports:
TVI Express a pyramid scam, Federal Court finds
The Federal Court has found Tina Aroha Brownlee (left), Lualhati "Teddi" Jutsen and David Graeme Scanlon promoted a pyramid selling scheme called TVI Epxress. This picture comes from the now-defunct TVI Team Oz website.
IF it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. That adage has been confirmed by the Federal Court in a judgment which finds a Sydney woman and two others flogging a supposed discount travel and accommodation deal were really running a pyramid-selling scam.
Justice John Nicholas also found Lualhati "Teddi" Jutsen, Tina Aroha Brownlee and David Graeme Scanlon -- as promoters of a scheme called TVI Express -- breached the sections of the Trade Practices Act relating misleading and deceptive conduct.
Read the full article here:
TVI Express a pyramid scam, Federal Court finds
The Federal Court has found Tina Aroha Brownlee (left), Lualhati "Teddi" Jutsen and David Graeme Scanlon promoted a pyramid selling scheme called TVI Epxress. This picture comes from the now-defunct TVI Team Oz website.
IF it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. That adage has been confirmed by the Federal Court in a judgment which finds a Sydney woman and two others flogging a supposed discount travel and accommodation deal were really running a pyramid-selling scam.
Justice John Nicholas also found Lualhati "Teddi" Jutsen, Tina Aroha Brownlee and David Graeme Scanlon -- as promoters of a scheme called TVI Express -- breached the sections of the Trade Practices Act relating misleading and deceptive conduct.
Read the full article here:
Monday, November 21, 2011
The American Federal Trade Commission has advice for real people looking for real opportunities
The American FTC is the federal level agency tasked with protecting consumers, i.e. you and me from fraudulent businesses in general, including MLM or businesses that claim to be MLM. They have 8 recommendations and three major questions you should ask of the people recruiting you. Let's start with the questions first, and try it on TVI Express (feel free to try it against your favorite MLM):
1. What are your annual sales of the product? How much product did you sell to distributors? What percentage of your sales were made to distributors?
1. What are your annual sales of the product? How much product did you sell to distributors? What percentage of your sales were made to distributors?
In TVI Express, the only honest answer from the upline is Zero, All (however many people he recruited), All 100%.
TVI Express "distributors" doesn't sell any hotel vouchers or travel or any such thing. They sell MEMBERSHIPS to TVI Express (which supposedly gets you a voucher for travel, and alleged discounts). Or in other words, they don't sell trips to people outside the company at all, thus they are NOT a travel business. And that, is bad, because having NO PRODUCT means the whole thing is a pyramid scheme.
If you ask about this, then the upline will try to claim various things as product.
a) They will claim membership itself is a product (it's not, but it's a requirement for access to product. ).
b) They will claim the free trip that comes with the membership is the product (again, it's not, as you can't get the trip without the membership).
c) They will claim the discounts you can get for the membership is the product (again, it's not. Discount to other products is not in itself a product. )
In other words, all of the explanation are bogus, and the upline is desperately spinning bull**** hoping you won't notice the bogosity of his explanations.
2. What were your expenses last year, including money you spent on training and purchasing products? How much money did you make last year — that is, your income and bonuses minus your expenses? How much time did you spend last year on the business? How long have you been in the business? How many people are in your downline?
Most TVI Express members, who are honest, will admit that they only just joined up for a few weeks, or perhaps a few months, and they just recruited people, and didn't advertise or anything. Then they'll glide right into "I paid only $250 USD (plus fees) to join and I am about to make ______!" They claim they have no expenses, and have dozens, hundreds, etc. in their downline.
Come on, how can a business have no expenses? Some will claim they setup websites, send out e-mails, print flyers, paid for ads, and so on, but all of them are toward RECRUITING, not selling anything. Thus, they have defeated their own explanation: they aren't selling anything. They are all recruiting.
A business that recruits and sells nothing except memberships (i.e. recruits) is a pyramid scheme, not a business.
3. What percentage of the money you made — income and bonuses minus your expenses — came from recruiting other distributors and selling them inventory or other items to get started?
In TVI Express, ALL income is from recruiting (cycle out of 2 "boards"), which guarantees that TVI Express is a pyramid scheme. There is no inventory or actual items or training. It's all recruit people, get paid. That is the very definition of pyramid scheme.
Sunday, November 20, 2011
NEWSFLASH: Lesotho warns Public AGAIN: TVI Express is an illegal scam
Central Bank of Lesotho found out that when you warn scammers, they ignore the warnings. Sunday Express newspaper of Lesotho reports:
CBL warns public against TVI Express
Caswell Tlali
MASERU — The Central Bank of Lesotho (CBL) has again warned the public against investing their monies in a pyramid scheme operated by Travel Ventures International (TVI) Express.
TVI Express is under criminal investigations in a number of countries.
The central bank’s warning comes two months after it issued a similar warning urging the public not to invest their monies in the scheme.
In a statement last week, the CBL said TVI Express was “operating in Lesotho in violation of the law”.
“The activities of this scheme resemble those of selling and marketing pyramid schemes as defined in Section 2 of the Financial Institutions Act, 1999, in terms of receiving funds from the public,” the bank said.
“The Central Bank of Lesotho would also like to caution all promoters of TVI Express, including persons who attempt to recruit others, either by word-of-mouth or via spamming email messages to join these schemes, anywhere in Lesotho, to stop such practices immediately.”
The CBL said TVI Express business operations place substantial emphasis on recruitment of participants.
“In this respect, the scheme offers lucrative incentives to the participants, calculated primarily on the basis of the number of participants or members that have been recruited into it,” said the bank.
“It is evident that these recruitment-based incentives serve as a bait to attract potential participants into joining the scheme, with the prospect of making easy money by recruiting others.
“In the whole, selling of purported products or services is a small component of the business model in the scheme and therefore designed to defraud members of the public,” the bank added.
CBL spokesperson, Thato Mohasoa, told the Sunday Express last month that TVI Express was not registered with the central bank as required under law.
Mohasoa however said he did not wish to comment beyond what had been stated in the statement.
He was however adamant that TVI Express was operating a fraudulent scheme and was fleecing people.
“I stick by our official statement that promoters of this business and those who are recruiting others to join it are breaking the law,” Mohasoa said.
Prospective investors are required to pay M2 700 as membership fee.
Investigations by the Sunday Express have revealed that TVI Express did not have offices in Lesotho.
The company also does not appear in the register of companies at the Ministry of Trade and Industry.
It also does not appear at the registrar of sole proprietary or partnership businesses.
It also does not appear in the list of cooperative societies and register of friendly associations.
TVI Express is under criminal investigations in a number of countries.
The central bank’s warning comes two months after it issued a similar warning urging the public not to invest their monies in the scheme.
In a statement last week, the CBL said TVI Express was “operating in Lesotho in violation of the law”.
“The activities of this scheme resemble those of selling and marketing pyramid schemes as defined in Section 2 of the Financial Institutions Act, 1999, in terms of receiving funds from the public,” the bank said.
“The Central Bank of Lesotho would also like to caution all promoters of TVI Express, including persons who attempt to recruit others, either by word-of-mouth or via spamming email messages to join these schemes, anywhere in Lesotho, to stop such practices immediately.”
The CBL said TVI Express business operations place substantial emphasis on recruitment of participants.
“In this respect, the scheme offers lucrative incentives to the participants, calculated primarily on the basis of the number of participants or members that have been recruited into it,” said the bank.
“It is evident that these recruitment-based incentives serve as a bait to attract potential participants into joining the scheme, with the prospect of making easy money by recruiting others.
“In the whole, selling of purported products or services is a small component of the business model in the scheme and therefore designed to defraud members of the public,” the bank added.
CBL spokesperson, Thato Mohasoa, told the Sunday Express last month that TVI Express was not registered with the central bank as required under law.
Mohasoa however said he did not wish to comment beyond what had been stated in the statement.
He was however adamant that TVI Express was operating a fraudulent scheme and was fleecing people.
“I stick by our official statement that promoters of this business and those who are recruiting others to join it are breaking the law,” Mohasoa said.
Prospective investors are required to pay M2 700 as membership fee.
Investigations by the Sunday Express have revealed that TVI Express did not have offices in Lesotho.
The company also does not appear in the register of companies at the Ministry of Trade and Industry.
It also does not appear at the registrar of sole proprietary or partnership businesses.
It also does not appear in the list of cooperative societies and register of friendly associations.
Friday, November 18, 2011
MLM and Pyramid Scheme are outlawed by Islam
An Islamic Expert explained it very all on AllExperts (and it was cited from IslamToday, who cited from Saudi research group on Fatwa's and Islam). I will attempt to summarize, but I am not a Muslim therefore if there are improper summaries, it's my fault.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Islam-947/2008/8/multi-level-marketing.htm
Why is MLM and Pyramid Scheme illegal under Shariah (Islamic law)?
1) Usury, or handing over small amount of money, and get huge rewards later, is illegal under Shariah. Pyramid scheme fits this definition.
2) Shariah prohibits "uncertainty business", or business with significant degree of chance. MLM and pyramid scheme, where you don't know if you can recruit enough people, is such an "uncertainty business".
3) Shariah prohibits taking other people's money through false promises. Pyramid scheme, where you must pay to join, is prohibited.
4) Shariah prohibits deception and outright fraud, such as misrepresenting payment as "commission", misrepresenting a fraud as a business, and so on.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Islam-947/2008/8/multi-level-marketing.htm
Why is MLM and Pyramid Scheme illegal under Shariah (Islamic law)?
1) Usury, or handing over small amount of money, and get huge rewards later, is illegal under Shariah. Pyramid scheme fits this definition.
2) Shariah prohibits "uncertainty business", or business with significant degree of chance. MLM and pyramid scheme, where you don't know if you can recruit enough people, is such an "uncertainty business".
3) Shariah prohibits taking other people's money through false promises. Pyramid scheme, where you must pay to join, is prohibited.
4) Shariah prohibits deception and outright fraud, such as misrepresenting payment as "commission", misrepresenting a fraud as a business, and so on.
Thursday, November 17, 2011
"Shine" is back with more bull**** explanations
"Shine", with an IP address that traced to Saudi Arabia, is back with more moronic comments, where he replies to questions about the legitimacy of TVI Express with "just look at our website".
The only proof that "Shine" have of ethical practice is "look at TVI Express website".
Anybody can write anything on a website. Didn't the entire world got punked when someone put up a website that claimed Internet Explorer users have lower IQ? That turned out to be a hoax. Website in itself is no proof.
Furthermore, TVI Express has been long documented to be a liar and obfuscator when it comes to "truth".
And you expect people to believe TVI Express actually has ethical conduct? Is it ethical to ignore all these problems and concerns?
The "stealing dreams" comment is even more inane, because in a pyramid scheme, in order to have your dream, you have to steal 200+ other people's dreams. (15 person pyramid, 2 of them, comes out to be 225, minus yourself, so 224 people, less if one or more buys multiple memberships) And to achieve their own dreams, they each have to steal 224 more people's dreams.
That's the scam part about pyramid schemes... instead of they scamming 200+ people, they have YOU scamming 200+ people. And because they're in India, when police come, they will come after YOU, not TVI Express. Police can't get to TVI Express, but they can get to you.
Furthermore, MLM and pyramid scheme are outlawed by Islam, and Indonesian Islamic Council on Ache already declared TVI Express a scam.
I suspect "shine" here is a foreign worker or immigrant to Saudi Arabia, probably from Philippines or Indonesia. Does Saudi Arabia still institute caning for haram practices, such as scamming people out of money?
The only proof that "Shine" have of ethical practice is "look at TVI Express website".
Anybody can write anything on a website. Didn't the entire world got punked when someone put up a website that claimed Internet Explorer users have lower IQ? That turned out to be a hoax. Website in itself is no proof.
Furthermore, TVI Express has been long documented to be a liar and obfuscator when it comes to "truth".
- Its owner was NEVER explained.
- It removed its own claim that it is "headquartered in London, UK" with no explanation
- It never could explain why its office in UK and Cyprus are at addresses of virtual offices.
- It cannot explain the "cease and desist" given to it in the US
- It cannot explain why it was charged as pyramid scheme in Australia,
- It cannot explain why its members were arrested in South Africa,
- It cannot explain why its headquarters was raided in India by police
- It cannot explain why its business license was revoked in Indonesia,
- and so on and so forth.
And you expect people to believe TVI Express actually has ethical conduct? Is it ethical to ignore all these problems and concerns?
The "stealing dreams" comment is even more inane, because in a pyramid scheme, in order to have your dream, you have to steal 200+ other people's dreams. (15 person pyramid, 2 of them, comes out to be 225, minus yourself, so 224 people, less if one or more buys multiple memberships) And to achieve their own dreams, they each have to steal 224 more people's dreams.
That's the scam part about pyramid schemes... instead of they scamming 200+ people, they have YOU scamming 200+ people. And because they're in India, when police come, they will come after YOU, not TVI Express. Police can't get to TVI Express, but they can get to you.
Furthermore, MLM and pyramid scheme are outlawed by Islam, and Indonesian Islamic Council on Ache already declared TVI Express a scam.
I suspect "shine" here is a foreign worker or immigrant to Saudi Arabia, probably from Philippines or Indonesia. Does Saudi Arabia still institute caning for haram practices, such as scamming people out of money?
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