TVI Express fraudster claims recruiting is actually selling

Welcome to another episode of "TVI Express Madness", where we document the apparent madness exhibited by TVI Express members, causing them to make illogical statements, ignoring reality even if it is staring them in the face. We will debunk more untruths put out by TVI Express recruiters desperate to fill their own "matrix" in pursuit of that mythical $10000 (and maybe some dubious e-Vouchers) payout.

The website we will debunk today is  http://toptviexpressteam.com/tag/tvi-express-scam/

As you can guess, TopTVIExpressTeam is a recruiter site, hoping for some more members to fill their matrix so they can cash out. They even wrote several blog entries claiming why TVI Express is not scam. What reason did they use?

"An opportunity that promises that you will make a certain amount of money when they know full well that very few if any people actually have a chance to do so. An example would be saying that you can make $10,000 per month, but to do so you would need to sponsor hundreds of people into the business. Since the average person only sponsors about two people into any business, what chance do they have of making $10,000? None and the people making those promises know that. That is what I call a scam.

How does TVI Express measure up to that? They say that you can make $10,000 along with a $5,000 travel voucher if you are committed, work hard and sponsor 2 people. You then help others to also sponsor their own 2 people which pushes you thru a matrix/board that has 14 positions on it. As each of those positions sponsors people you are pushed toward the top where you cash out and get paid.

Clearly, Bob has absolutely no idea what a pyramid scheme is, or the airplane game, or the 8-ball model. Yet it's right there on wikipedia, even has nice pictures!

Image via Wikipedia

8-ball model of Pyramid Scheme
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme#The_.22Eight-Ball.22_model 

According to Bob here, if you have to recruit dozens and dozens of people, it's a scam. But if you recruit only two, and have each of them recruit two more, it's not a scam. Yet, the 1-2-4-8 model is exactly the progression of the 8-ball model.

So is Bob ignorant, or lying? You be the judge.


In another post, Bob can't seem to distinguish between the product, and the opportunity.

Is TVI Express a Scam? Definitely not! And Here is Why.

Do we have a product? Yes we do. Our product is travel, which is a trillion dollar business. You get access to the home based business opportunity when you purchase a travel package. This package is a hugely discounted seven day and six night stay at top rated hotel.

You then sell this product to others looking to start their own work from home business opportunity.

Bob, even TVI Express itself has downgraded your "top-rated hotel" to 3-5 star hotel (i.e. it may not be top rated). Look on TVIExpress.com itself, at the bottom!

What's more, where are those hotels? Most of them are in INDIA! Did you read the TVI Express announcements at all?  (Read the "booking status update" entry, dated 1-Feb-2010)  How are you going to sell 7-day 6-night stay at a 3-5 star hotel IN INDIA?

Furthermore, what exactly ARE you selling? If you're selling travel related stuff, or are you selling membership, which is just recruiting? You are a TVI Express DISTRIBUTOR! Says right there on the TVI Express homepage: "Become a TVI Express Distributor". What is it that you are distributing? If you are selling the opportunity itself, then you are RECRUITING! You are NOT SELLING travel at all! And you are committing FRAUD because you are MISREPRESENTING the product!

I'll even spell out the difference for you...

• You sell someone a 7-day 6-night hotel stay: you sold travel
• You sell someone a TVI distributorship that comes with a 7-day 6-night hotel stay (in God knows where): you recruited

However, it seems Bob can't tell the difference between the two.

Bob seems to be under the TVI Express spell, because he then trots out the age-old excuse given by swindlers since the beginning of fraud:  "if it pays, it must be legit", or in Bob's own words:

TVI Express can not be a scam if they deliver what they promise.

Well, Bob, Bernie Madoff is a scammer, and he delivered what they promise for about 20 years... until it all fell apart not too long ago. Just because someone can deliver now, means nothing about the future. And given the fact that TVI Express has already been deemed a pyramid scheme in China and TVI Express recruiters are hunted all over the country, how much do you wish to bet that soon other countries will follow?