Critique of Emjay07's blog, part 7

Last time we talked about "code of conduct" of TVI Express, EmJay07 transcribed the entire comment thread to his website, which is available here:

http://emjay07.blogspot.com/2010/06/conversation-with-blogger-kasey-chang.html

At the end, I invited him to provide some proof, and pointed out that unless the proof came from TVI Express, his proof would be unofficial and barely relevant.

"Unless TVI Express releases a code of conduct on their website or publish such a list, you got NOTHING to prove your point. When TVI Express does so, I'll post a retraction. Until then, you've proven nothing."

So what was EmJay07's response? He agreed with me.

"Clearly, he doesn't want facts as I was up to give names of people who are "kicked out" (in his words), but he wont ask for it.. unless company posts it on their website.  I'm not here to prove who was blocked and who wasn't. I have the facts but oh yea, I'm NOT the company .. and so isn't any other blogger here... Who cares anyway?"

One sentence, he wrote " I was up to give names of people..." Then a sentence later he wrote "I'm not here to prove who was blocked and who wasn't.".  Are EmJay07 wishy-washy? Delirious? Confused? Or schizophrenic? You decide.

And STILL have proven nothing. Quoting EmJay07 again,

"there was no point in conversing further."

Indeed there's nothing more to say, since you have no proof to offer. You claimed there is a code of conduct, but you provided no proof. You claimed members have been kicked off due to violations of code of conduct, but you provided no proof. You say you will provide some, then you say you won't.

Did you finally realize the futility of your own lame argument? 

You should stop. You are just embarrassing yourself.

EDIT: It had been a week since EmJay07's post. Do you think he's had enough? Or will he be back for more?

EDIT2: It's been MORE than 2 weeks. Guess he ain't coming back, or else his brain exploded from thinking in circles. How else would you explain him claiming TVI Express have a code of conduct and will kick people out for violating it, which he then violated,  thus, begging to be kicked out by TVI Express?

MLM Attorney explains what is a legal MLM; TVI Express is not

EmJay07, who has a blog of his own that criticizes my blogs (usually without basis, but that would be an opinion), cited. A Mr. Nehra, one of the few attorneys what specialized in MLM, for some reference to something about pay commission in certain cases are legal, and claim that somehow proves he knows MLM law.

What he did not realize is Mr. Nehra actually published an article on what constitutes a legal MLM (at least in the US of A and Canada), which I will quote below. And TVI Express does NOT fit the criteria listed. Therefore, TVI Express cannot be legal in the US of A or Canada, and very likely, in my opinion, not legal in the rest of the world.

Critique of EmJay07's blog, part 6

Or rather, continuation of Part 3, let's see what EmJay07 replied this time...

"“That you cannot even redeem directly”? - What does he mean by that? He definitely hasn’t done his homework well but the fact is that once you are a TVI Express member, the only way you do it is “directly” by yourself."

That is "word twisting", folks. Because here's the original, from which I quote...

"...that you cannot even redeem directly. You have to pay extra $150 to redeem it."

EmJay07 chose to interpret "redeem directly" to suit his own purposes. That is twisting words. And he accuses me of "word twisting". Rather hilarious, wouldn't you say? Go look in a mirror, EmJay07.

"NOWHERE have TVI Express announced that “1%” but Kasey follows the numbers randomly generated by his own over-thinking mind. Oh, I know how he got it. As per his own statement in one of his blogs, he mentioned that the company TVI Express or some top leader of TVI Express had announced that already “thousands” of people have redeemed their certificates (and yes, we are talking about the development phase in the past). So, does “thousands” mean 1%? Must say his mind is fastidious enough to go with the lowest possible number which proves nothing but his over-paranoid character."

When people say "thousands", lowest possible number is 2000, and highest possible number if 9000. That is common sense. Do the math with 600000 members, and either way the number is too low to contemplate (from 1.5% to well under a percent, average to about 1%). I specifically used the HIGHEST number, 9000 in my calculations.  He said I used the "lowest". Who's twisting words? If you do the math with 1 million members, the results are 0.9% or lower.

Critique of EmJay07's blog, part 5

I see EmJay07 has posted another rebuttal, accusing me this time of "twisting words". As he had demonstrated "multiple times" in the past, he can't argue. He had argued himself into a corner, and this time, he accuses me of "twisting words".

"how much credence should Kasey Chang be given when he is pasting stuff from my blog and well many random websites every other day while pointing at them and blogging immaterial of the fact that he is himself copying??"

Oh, but clearly EmJay07 has no idea what "fair use" is. As the "fair use doctrine" is pretty long, just go read the Wikipedia entry yourself. But to summarize... it is permissible to use a small portion of other people's work to provide commentary and review of the material, and that is exactly what I have done: demonstrate that EmJay07's points are ill-constructed, logically faulty, and ignorant (of the laws involved).

As for why EmJay07's wholesale copy is NOT "fair use"? Simple... he added nothing to it, other than "hey look here". And he quoted my blog posts left and right. And he accuses me of quoting other blogs (and his blog)? That's just so funny. 

You are rather amusing...EmJay07... constructing one lame argument after another. Are you a masochist? Seems like you enjoy getting taken down a peg or two every few days, by making faulty accusations.

Did you approve my comment yet?  UPDATE:Yes he did. He's just a bit slow.

More TVI Express supporters denying truth in front of their eyes

I posted a scathing comment of an existing TVI Express review that was posted months ago. The author clearly had not came back to update it... but someone else did... a "Mike Johnson"

Mike Johnson... MJ... You don't supposed he's related to EmJay07, the debater who argued himself into a corner, that he should be banned from TVI Express for stealing TVI Express material, something that TVI Express website says you should not do?

But any way, here is what MJ wrote, and my point by point rebuttal.

@kschang,
1. It is clearly mentioned in their Terms & Conditions that any taxes and processing charges have to be borne by the members and the same is mentioned in their latest announcement too. Donna did post the links to their announcements which state so, so everything is mentioned if you read more properly.

And my reply was

A1) "clearly mentioned in their Terms & Conditions that any taxes and processing charges have to be borne by the members" No it did not. It did mention hotel taxes, and some surcharges if exchange rates change, or if suppliers raised prices, but no such thing as "processing fee". It may now, but it did not before.
Here's a view of the certificate itself. No mention of any such charges as "taxes and processing fee".
http://hispanotviexpress.blogspot.com/2009/12/que-

Collection of TVI Express "weasel reviews"

Weasel reviews are posted by unethical "marketing coaches" who say nice things about TVI Express without any fact-checking, and ends with phrases such as "you need to know marketing to succeed, and you need to contact me for the right training".

Here are six examples

Example 1: I know this is not a scam because... uh... it's so easy, AND you need my help!

Example 2: I use false premises to "prove" TVI Express is not scam, but I was NOT promoting TVI Express

Example 3: Is TVI Express a scam? No! Why? Because I said so! Really! Trust me! You need my help!

Example 4: I have no idea what this company really does, but if you want to succeed, you need my help.

Example 5: I stole this article from another marketing coach, who has no idea what he's talking about

Example 6: I posed questions, which I don't answer, but I want you to contact me for training


Weasels are just one of four types of TVI Express supporters.

A couple more thoughts about piracy of TVI Express content

As per TVI Express "disclaimer", you are NOT supposed to copy or repost ANY content from TVI Express. You are authorized to print extra copies, but reposting its announcements, clearly crosses the line according to TVI Express' own website.

Yet this is done on virtually all TVI Express websites. The logo was pirated. A lot of art was pirated. Some TVI Express websites are in fact, wholesale copies of the original, though some have reformatted them into a different look, at least. There is NO WAY you can argue all that as "fair use". Just a logo? Maybe. The entire announcement, including the graphical header? Doubt it.

Which brings four things to mind... 

1) If TVI Express WANTS them copied, why don't they just say so? TVI Express have modified their websites many times before, and whatever language they need to add for this would be minimal. Yet this was never done.

2) If TVI Express just want them linked, not copied, why would they intentionally hide the URL? (I know how to link to any announcement directly, but then I know Javascript pretty well)  It makes no sense.

3) Do TVI Express members actually read or even CARE about the terms and conditions that they supposedly agreed to?

4) Why haven't TVI Express done anything about all these copyright violations? One of the Vietnamese TVI Express websites is IDENTICAL to the regular TVI Express website except it's been translated into Vietnamese, and some minor details changed.

Which brings to mind some possibilities... Keep in mind these are merely possibilities, not allegations.

a) TVI Express is too busy to enforce copyright of their own material

Possible answer, but unlikely. Any reputable company knows that their image is one of the most important items they own, and you can't protect your image if you don't control your own copyrighted material. Who knows what mischief can be done with the logos and whatnot?

It is also interesting that "TVI Express" is not registered as a trademark or service mark that I know of. While it is not needed, it is an indication of how serious the company is about protecting its name.

b) TVI Express don't care about copyright of their own material

Far more likely, since they have had almost 18 months to think about it. The interesting question is... why?

Logical extrapolation: they don't care, because it is NOT important.

Why is it not important? Because the whole thing is a scam. (yes, that's an opinion)  Why spend time and money on stuff that doesn't bring in more recruits? The more recruits, the more the "owners" of TVI Express will cash out. (those are facts)

So why have a copyright clause at all? Because all companies have one. It's good disguise. (facts) it was probably NEVER intended to be enforced. (Yes, that's an opinion.)

Yes, the reasoning is pretty thin. Do you have a better explanation on why a company would have a copyright clause that was never enforced? 

TopTVIExpressTeam pushes yet something else

Now they push something called "Revolving Relay".

Frankly, I don't care what Revolving Relay is. The fact that they ping-pong from one thing to another is not the point. The point is they are NOT with TVI Express any more. People will not stay with suspicious companies, even if it promises the sun and the moon.

Draw your own conclusions.

http://toptviexpressteam.com/top-tvi-express-leader-joining-revolving-relay/

UPDATE: Toptviexpressteam.com is dead, and Revolving Relay is basically TVI Express clone (i.e. another pyramid scheme)

The three types of TVI Express supporters (and one in disguise)

After tracking TVI Express since late 2009, I think I can classify TVI Express supporters in roughly three types:  the (dumb) debater, the liar/denier, and the evangelical/maniac. If you throw in the weasel reviewers, that'd be four, but the last type do not actually support TVI Express.

(Slightly edited on June 28th)

The supporters can be a mixed breed, by using tactics from all three types.  Let us examine each "breed" in detail.

TVI Express supporter suggests kicking himself out of TVI Express for ethical violations

It is interesting what TVI Express supporters will do to support their cause, often by doing the exactly wrong things. Sometimes, they use so much faulty logic and lie so much, they paint themselves into a corner.

EmJay07 is one such example. He previously declared that he personally testifies that TVI Express does have a code of conduct, and violators are kicked out, even though he can't prove it beyond his own testimony, or produce such a "code of conduct" that is publicly viewable.

Then he proceed to clone a TVI Express announcement, which, according to TVI Express website, one should NOT do. And when I pointed that out, he loudly proclaimed that he did it INTENTIONALLY.

Thus, according to himself, TVI Express should kick him out. Right?  (or admit he lied about such code of conduct)