Saturday, August 21, 2010

Classic TVI Express Member Lies

Today, we present another set of classic TVI Express lies. Previously, we found a letter from Mr. Goyal, that claims TVI Express was related to a glass factory in Italy, and a casino/resort in England. What sort of lies will we find this time?  The original in Chinese, dated May 23 2009, is at http://xiecheng51.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!FB3360FAB196CDAE!146.entry but I'll just translate it for you...

TVI快车--其合法性

TVI Express and its legitimacy

公司合法,手续齐全,因为涉及出国不归等政治因素,旅游公司的设立必须符合国际惯例,其上千万的注册资金需求以及数百万质量保证金要求就让很多人望而却步,而且成立旅游公司不是任何人都可以为之!
Company is legal, and all necessary steps are complete. Due to involvement in travel and other political factors, establishing a travel company must conform to international common practices, and tens of thousands must be invested for registration, and millions must be put up in performance bonds, which will discourage most people. Establishing a travel company is not something that can be done by anybody!

英国tvi是一家跨国公司,拥有足够的财力和经验来抵御各种风险,英国tvi提供的服务与国内著名酒店预定机构e龙和携程旗鼓相当,这绝不是你我几个网头操盘的山寨营销!否则您该能在市场上见到很多雷同的旅项目了
TVI Express is an international company, with sufficient money and experience to handle any problems. TVI Express provides service that matches any e-Reservation system (in China). This is not some fly-by-night operation, else you'd see many similar opportunities!
REVIEWER COMMENT: none of the above actually said anything useful, but rather implied with NO FACTS. The travel portal? Affiliate website from Travelocity, so TVI Express put up NO money at all. There is NOTHING behind TVI Express.
  一.您可以通过Google(谷歌)地图搜索英国TVI旅游公司的真实性:
   输入网址http://www.google.co.uk/搜索(tviexpress)TVI的全称。
1. You can go through Google and search for the validity of TVI Express. Just go to www.google.co.uk and search for "TVI Express"
   只有正规的在国家注册详细地址和详细情况的公司,才有资格成为谷歌地图搜索对象,这是显而易见的,没有比这个更能说明公司的真实性了。
Only a legitimately registered company with full address can appear in Google Map Business Listing. This is obvious. Nothing else really shows the reality of this company. 
REVIEWER COMMENT: The listing is OWNER-VERIFIED. TVI Express put it in themselves. So this is, well, bull****.
二.认证机构的官方网址,见证公司的实力:
   对证TVI首页下方认证图标:
   http://www.trust-guard.com/ [信任卫士]
   http://better-internet-bureau.org/[互联网事务改进局(单位、机构]
   TVI首页下方的“SAPM FREE ZONE”无垃圾邮件区域【拒绝垃圾邮件】图标以及Thawte【史瓦特】安全认证标志(保证客户访问公司的安全性)
Look at the badges on TVI Express homepage, proves their strength / integrity:
Trust-Guard verified
Internet Business Bureau Listed
Spam-Free Zone
Thawte secured (protect your visit)
REVIEWER COMMENT: There is no more Trust-Guard. TVI Express was disenrolled from Trust-Guard on 30-SEP-2009.
Internet Business Bureau badge is worthless. It's just some worthless outfit in Canada that is NOT related to Better Business Bureau at all. In fact, there is no way to verify that IBB actually gave TVI Express the badge or not. 
Spam-Free Zone means absolutely nothing, since TVI Express sends nothing. It's the members that is doing all the spamming. 
Finally, Thawte-secured just mean that TVI Express use secured login for some portions of their website. It doesn't prove they are legitimate. At best, it just proves they use a good locksmith.
三.通过ALEXA排名见证公司实力:
   http://www.alexa.com/ 输入TVI网址查询
Go through Alexa ranking and see how real the company is.
REVIEWER COMMENT: Alexa is a popularity contest. It proves nothing.

四.英国tvi会员在中国可免费享受的酒店:
   1.北京雅诗朗酒店式公寓
   2.上海王宝和大酒店
   3.香港迪士尼乐园酒店

4. TVI Express members can enjoy free hotels at
Beijing (something)
Shanghai (something)
Hong Kong Disney Hotel (?)

REVIEWER COMMENT: and the proof of this is... where?  This claim cannot be verified. Also... all of China and only 3 hotels?

英国tvi在中国合法吗?这是很多投资者的疑虑,我们提供有关的法律依据:英国TVI旅游电子商务成立于2009年1月,现在已经发展到了50多个国家,中国,美国,韩国,印度,南非,丹麦等等。中国地区是3月1日开始式运作的! 
Is TVI Express legal in China? This is what many investors worry about. We provide related law references: TVI Express e-Commerce is established January 2009, and had spread to over 50 countries: US, China, Korea, India, South Africa etc. China operation opened on March 1st! 

英国tvi是英国合法的电子商务企业,,绝对不会被我国政府封杀,主要原因有国际互联网公约规定:国际世界任何国家不能干涉网上交易。任何一家电子商务公司(网站)在任何国家注册都是合法的,但是他们开展其它的国家语言业务时必须做到:不准攻击该语言国家政府;不散布黄色淫秽的内容;不涉及伤害人身财产安全;不传播病毒;在中国不传播法伦功。
TVI Express is a legal British eCommerce company, cannot be outlawed by Chinese government, because China cannot interfere in online business of other countries: there are international treaties that China signed prohibiting interference. Any eCommerce is legal, in other country if they comply with: do not attack local government, do not spread pornography, do not harm individual's finance or wellbeing, do not spread viruses, and  (in China), do NOT spread Falun Gong. 

其次,《直 销管理条例》规定,我们国家不允许多层次直销,今天TVI的奖励计划是循环矩阵,不属于多层次直销。一定不会受到政府的政策影响。英国TVI没有违反相关 的法律!
Furthermore, in direct-selling law, our country (China) do not allow MLM. TVI Express use cycling matrix, which is not MLM. Thus it surely will not be affected by national policy. TVI Express did not violate any related laws! 

REVIEWER COMMENT: The reality is, after this blog was published, the government, both local, provincial, and national, started to notice this pyramid scheme. Arrests started in June 2009, and first convictions happened in March 2010. TVI Express itself says it is a MLM, and is indeed a pyramid scheme by Chinese law. 
REVEIWER COMMENT 2: And now history is repeating itself. In Indonesia, the local leader told reporter that "TVI Express is NOT multi-level marketing", even though the company website says it is. Just like the denial above, isn't it?
现在我们国家已经是法制社会,做任何事情都要按照法律条文办事,目前,在我国的法律规范中,找不出英国TVI违反那条法律,所以,政府没有办法封 杀!举例:世界通,现在很多媒体报道说他是传销,网络上、报纸上、电视上遍地都是,可是世界通依然在运作,政府依然没有封杀他,为什么??
Now our country (China) is a lawful society, everything must be compliant with the law. TVI Express did not violate any laws, so the government cannot stop TVI Express! was accused by many newspapers, TV Stations, and more, as pyramid scheme. But it is still operating. Government did not kill it. Why?
REVIEWER COMMENT: just because the government haven't acted doesn't mean the operation is legal. This is a logical fallacy.
 
很多朋友觉得TVI非常好,就是怕相关法律的影响。TVI好说明他有市场需求,企业的成功与否取决于市场需求,有需求,就能成功。


Many friends believe TVI Express is very good, but was afraid of being affected by the law. TVI Explained that there is a market need, and the success depends on market need. If there is need, there will be success.


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Well folks, this is sort of stuff you found on Chinese websites back in May and June 2009 when TVI Express was 'red hot'. And look at the kind of lies they are spreading:

* they claim TVI Express is lawful when none of them are lawyers or got actual explanations from lawyers
* they claim TVI Express is NOT a pyramid/MLM when it is
* they claim travel company must have huge financial backing when it does not
* they claim Google listing is proof of legitimacy when in fact the list was "owner-verified"
* they claim Trust-Guard verified, which was later revoked
* they claim lack of prosecution is proof of legitimacy

Are you seeing similar TVI Express lies in TVI Express hot zones now? Like Indonesia?

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