TVI Express opens office in Indonesia? Really?

But did they register as a legal business under Indonesian law yet?

TVI Express now launches a new office in Indonesia, that supposedly went live May 20th. The announcement is here.

http://www.tviexpress.com/announcement1.php?id=78

(yes, I can link DIRECTLY to their announcements)

The new address given is

Office Address:

PT TVI Express
STC Senayan, 4th Floor # 69
Asia Afrika Pintu IX Gelora Senayan
Jakarta Pusat 10270
Indonesia


Please note that this address is real... it has floor number, room number, etc. Their UK addresses (BOTH OF THEM) did not have it. Their Cyprus address did not have it. 

However, did they actually register with the government, as their law requires, reported by Detiknews?

TeamBuild Feeder bans TVI Express

TeamBuild Feeder, a marketing system, bans TVI Express

http://blogquik.com/2010/05/20/tvi-express-now-banned-in-our-community/

More marketers leaving TVI Express

"Jinger" explains why she left TVI Express

http://www.askjinger.com/internet-marketing-news/why-i-left-tvi-express/

More info about how TVI Express reached China

TVI Express reached China via a person named "Jin Ling", based on this blog entry

http://bbs.city.tianya.cn/tianyacity/Content/40/1/647431.shtml

The Jin Ling or 金玲, is a Chinese name. The problem is this can only be "Anny Kim", but who came up with the English name? 金 is always written as Jin, Jing, or Gin, if you are from China or Taiwan. Only in Korea would it be written as Kim.

TVI Express has reached Georgia (the country, not the US state)

Apparently a former general in their armed forces is pushing TVI Express, and a lot of military members claim to have been duped by their former superior.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.megapolis.kz%2Fshow_article.php%3Fart_id%3D15182

German Press reports on TVI Express scam

Original article is at http://www.presseanzeiger.de/meldungen/handel-wirtschaft/349197.php

Here is the Google auto-translation:

TVI Express in many countries, illegal - imprisonment for salespeople in China

05/27/2010 21:16:29

(PA) "Travel Venture International Express" (TVI) was seen critically in Germany for several weeks and months. Relevant media wanted to trust the great promises and the concept is not entirely (the OBTAINER reported). Internationally against TVI came more and more doubts. Now it seems the whole thing to actually explode like last year, the real estate bubble of the banks with their bad loans....

The only slight objection I have is that it mentioned virtually every source that I had mentioned first, including Indonesia, China, and more. It's even possible that they simply borrowed from the comments I posted to the mlmexpertreview.org. Oh well. As long as more people learn about the fraud known as TVI Express, that'll be fine for me.

More dead TVI Express distributor clone sites

More dead TVI Express distributor clone sites:

www.tvimoneyexpress.com
www.tviexpressexperts.com (now forwards to some "secret money ring")
www.tviexpressinfo.com
www.tviexpressblog.net
www.tviteamtactics.com
www.gratefulcashnow.com
www.planb-tviexpress.com (actually promotes Pyxism)
www.tviexpresssydney.com (yep, the Aussie site now posts "I've been fooled" blog entries)
www.tvivacation.com (forwards to Youtube.com)

Folks, what other proof do you need that TVI Express is dead? Get out while you can!

TVI Expess: NOT trusted by Trust Guard

Apparently at one time, TVI Express was "trusted" by Trust-Guard.com, which is supposed to certify certain businesses. In fact, you can still find bazillion fan sites and articles and blog entries claiming TVI Express is trust-guard verified.

Here's proof that it is NOT (at least, not now)


https://secure.trust-guard.com/certificates/www.tviexpress.com

The fact that TVI Express does not display the "badge" should tell you a lot. Trust-Guard specifically says that it will not approve affiliate websites and MLM websites. TVI Express failed on both counts. So the fact that it was accepted once means even Trust-Guard was fooled. And how much does Trust-Guard cost? A few hundred dollars, that's it. That amount of "trust", obtained through FRAUD, was worth that few hundred dollars.

EDIT: Trust-Guard Customer Support was nice to write back and provided some information.

According to TGCS, TVI Express was dis-enrolled from Trust-Guard Business Verification on 30-SEP-2009. Due to business rules, the "reason" for the disqualification cannot be made public.

Any one still touting "Trust Guard" trusted is lying.

7 more lies by TVI Express

The following was posted by a TVI Express member in China in their version of Yahoo! Answers, where other members answer questions. In this case, "Is TVI Express a pyramid scheme?"  Unfortunately, I think the author copied someone else's explanation, replaced SOME of the references "Freedom Club?" to TVI, and tried to pass it off as an explanation. Let's analyze the 7 reasons to see how bogus they are.


TVI与传销的区别（七个不同）


7 Differences between TVI Express and pyramid scheme

① 产品性质不同
Difference in product

非法传销组织销售的产品多数是实物产品（不可重复销售），其利润来自单个产品的超值 销售利润（有限的）；尽管商品价格一般都远远高于公开的合理市价，例如300元的摇摆机强行卖到3900元；但其价格也不可能无限加价；这样的产品销售的 结果，必然伤害消费者，伤害会员的利益，危害社会。
Illegal pyramid organization usually sell real products (cannot be sold multiple times), and the profit is from huge marketups (limited); and the products are usually above the "market" reasonable prices, such as a $300 vibrating machine sold at $3900; yet the markup cannot go on indefinitely; thus the result of selling such items ends up hurting the consumer, hurting the members, and hurting society. 


而TVI俱乐部销售的是旅游服务产品，这类产品具有可以无限次重复销售的特性；公司通过战略 联盟，在网络上发展会员，以量制价，让更多的会员享受优质低价的旅游服务；会员加盟TVI，可以在网络上预订全世界的宾馆、饭店住宿房间，选择范围更大， 享受服务更周到，价格更低廉。会员通过加盟，还可以获得推广赚取佣金的机会，是一个多方共赢的营销利润体系。会员越多，各个联盟单位及会员个人都各自增加 利润；并不伤害任何人的利益，对社会有利无害。

TVI [Express] "club" sells travel service product, and can be indefinitely resold; through Internet, recruit online, and allow more people to book high quality low price travel service; people joining TVI [Express] can reserve hotels all over the world, enjoy higher quality, lower cost, better service, as well as a chance to earn commission by recruiting. It is a win-win system. The more members there are, the more people will benefit. Nobody is hurt, and the society benefits.

ANALYSIS: Sounds good, until it fails to explain how having more members would cause everybody to benefit.

People who join TVI Express are only interested in that $10000 USD. They are NOT interesting in selling travel at all. So you can pretty much conclude the explanation is, well, "hogwash".

The argument employed a variety of logical fallacies, including strawman, red herring, AND weak analogy. It basically tries to establish TVI Express as the "opposite" of a "typical" pyramid scheme, by explaining the effects of a "typical" pyramid scheme, and how TVI Express is "not" that.  However, all this does not explain why TVI Express is legal. All it really did was explain that TVI Express is NOT a "typical" pyramid scheme.

TVI Express fansites are dropping like flies!

A random check through a few shows TVI Express distributors are either abandoning ship, or dropping their website altogether! We've already covered Top Team TVI, TVI Team 100, and TVI GAT's "defection".

Further check shows that "tviexpressinsider.com" is now "404 not found", and "thetruthabouttvi.net" now forwards itself to Google!

Which other TVI "fan sites" have you found to be dead or converted?