TVI Express supporters makes unsubstantiated claims of legitimacy... again

Increasemymonthlyincome.com, a.k.a. travelventuresinternational.net, ran by two TVI Express members, continue to push the scam despite being served a "cease and desist" letter in state of Georgia.



Their most recent announcement went as far as claiming a US convention in January 2011, and US call center in 2012 (located in Florida).  (see link)



Then they claimed that no less than THREE lawfirms (up from just 1 named before in Utah) is working on how to make TVI Express complaint with US laws.

However, a lot of the statements are just plain... weasel. Here are the problems.



1) No such announcement of US convention was available on TVI Express website. So it is NOT an official announcement or an official convention.

2) No such listing on the community calendar on TVI Express website (embedded Google Calendar). There is NOTHING listed for January 2011. NADA. Thus, it is NOT a community event either.



3) Call center in... FLORIDA? Makes absolutely NO SENSE. American call centers are usually located in the CENTRAL time zone (usually Colorado) so it can provide service to all four timezones (Pacific, Mountain, Central, and Eastern) for maximum hours in all cases. Locating call center in Florida basically cuts service to western regions by nearly half.



4) Putting a call center on US soil means TVI Express would be subject to US law, and there is NO WAY TVI Express can comply with US Federal law (FTC regulations) regarding network marketing and keep the present package. You'd have to tear down the whole thing and start over.

5) In one post the call center is coming in 2012. In a different post they claim it is coming in 2011. What is going on? Can they even get their own facts straight?



6) They never bothered to name the lawfirms referenced. The source of the original claim that the Utah lawfirm was retained came from an upline, and CANNOT be corroborated by any other evidence. Reliability of such information is low.


7) They weasel out of their claim of convention by stating it is subject to change. HELLO! January is only a few months away!




Based on the statements on their own website, and history of lies told by various TVI Express supporters, esp. Tarun Trikha, the reliability of the announcement is low to none.

Another Craigslist ad denouncing TVI Express

Recent Developments Have Caused TVI Reps To Be Jobless

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Date: 2010-09-30, 10:30AM PDT
Reply to: serv-at6py-1981797568@craigslist.org ^{[Errors when replying to ads?]}

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I want to be clear...I was a member or TVI Express and an ardent believer in the business. I brought a team of people into TVI and loved the idea and everything they were going to offer...if TVI could have provided what they promised.


Because Of The Downfall of TVI Express, Leaders Were Left Searching For Suitable Options For Their Teams.

No One Wanted To Encounter The Same Unanswered Questions, Lies, And Misrepresentations That Were Made By TVI Express...

I Needed To Find A Business In The Travel Industry That Had A Number Of EXTREMELY Important Criteria In Order For Me To Save Face With My Team:


A Company With At Least a 6 Figure First Year Earning Potential


A Transparent Company - One Where We Knew Who The Founders Were And It Was Clear Where The Company Was Headquartered.


A Company With Real Products People Could Use Immediately


A Company Where It Pays to Help Others Succeed and People Are Financially Rewarded For Successful Teambuilding


A Company Built For The Long Haul - Not Just Another Flash In The Pan Like TVI Express


http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/biz/1981797568.html

The "club" argument debunked... again

Some TVI Express shills are still hanging on by their fingernails by claiming TVI Express is a "club", like AAA Auto Club, that provides benefits to people, and company wants to make you rich if you refer a lot of people to it. So it's a "business".



First of all, what is the business model of a "club"? A club charges members dues every month (or whatever period is good) and in return provides benefits to its members (presumably at a cost lower than the membership dues received, so it can earn a net profit). A travel club can use the membership list to get discounts from actual travel providers as well as market to the members services and discounts that cost additional money. AAA's real money maker is actually insurance. Golf clubs charge dues to keep up the golf course and makes money at the pro shop for the balls, clubs, and other equipment.

There are "clubs" like supermarket and bookstore clubs that basically wants to give you discount in return for your personal information and purchase history tracking. They don't need membership fee because the benefits they give you cost them very little, but the potential increase in sales more than offsets the discounts they give. 

TVI Express doesn't charge per month, just a one-time fee of $250 + whatever. And for that $250, you supposedly get discounted trips through the travel portal, and the 7-day 6-night hotel accomodations somewhere and half the price of ticket. In reality, the travel portal, relabeled Travelocity obtained through wctravel.com, is worth ZERO, since it is virtually identical to Travelocity. It offers no additional savings. The trip itself is nearly impossible to redeem, all the announced hotels are in India, and now costs extra $150 USD "processing fees and taxes" to redeem. Thus, the $250 membership is NOT worth $250 at all. It is worth practically NOTHING.



It's like mail ordering an "exotic African musical wind instrument", and getting a plastic vuvuzela out of the box. It is perfectly accurate: it is African, it is a wind musical isntrument, and it is exotic, but it's worthless.

And here's the really troubling part... the "matrix cycler".



Let's say I tell you that you can make $1000 if you can convince 50 people each to pay $50 for a plastic vuvuzela. Would you do it? If I say if you only convince 10, you get your $50 back?

That's exactly what TVI Express had done. Offering something that's worthless, charge you money, and tell you that you can make the money back, and much more, if you drag a LOT of people buying the same worthless stuff.



And that is the very definition of a pyramid scheme, albeit slightly disguised by a WORTHLESS benefit package. 

Donna Ebreu, "coach of integrity", needs inspiration after end of TVI Express

Problem is, she needs more than inspiration. She needs GRAMMAR lessons. 

LIFE And It’s Mystery

September 28, 2010 · Filed Under Inspirational  

 

yes, that's exactly what it says.  Do you know what the problem is?

 

ANSWER: It should be "its". It's an elementary level English grammar mistake. 

Wow, someone is denouncing TVI Express on... Craigslist?

See for yourself, and whoever you are, thanks for the link to my hub. 

RE:MONEY DOES NOT GROW ON TREES, ONE HAS TO EARN MONEY, (SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAMSCAM SCAM )

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Date: 2010-09-28, 3:46PM PDT
Reply to: serv-7uc2h-1978799726@craigslist.org ^{[Errors when replying to ads?]}

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Don 't believe me,just google up "Tvi express scam" and you'll see that they were chased in Germany,and with their banking in Cyprus got Cypus into shit with the EU

"TRUTH #1: Australia and United States, after China, have acted legally against TVI Express. China have declared TVI Express as pyramid scheme back in June 2009, and have arrested and convicted many as fraudsters.
Australia issued restraining order in May 2010 against 3 members to stop them from promoting TVI Express, and in September 2010 state of Georgia in the United States issued a cease and desist order against North American branch of TVI Express, a copy of the order is included to the right."


http://hubpages.com/hub/TVI-Express-Lies-exposed

• Location: SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAMSCAM SCAM

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/fns/1978799726.html

Learn how a perfect scam works by dismissing its critics

http://hubpages.com/hub/10-Steps-to-a-Perfect-Scam

Fits TVI Express to a T, no pun intended.


Every member is touting the testimonials, even using it to combat "it's a scam" postings with statements like "It's not a scam because I did get paid."  Some then get evangelical: "It's new a different, and works, you should join us and work hard."



The article has been around LONGER than TVI Express. 

Facebook support group for TVI Express Scam Awareness

Visit Steve Motley's TVI Express Scam Awareness Facebook Group



http://www.imfaceplate.com/articles/marketing/tvi-express-worldwide-scam-alert

Here's news coverage of the ACCC vs. TVI Team OZ trial

URL: http://aap.newscentre.com.au/acci/100902/library/industry/23873071.html



The Daily Telegraph (Australia)

Enter the `matrix' --- Happy snap of trio at height of alleged pyramid scam

Author: John Rolfe
Publication: The Daily Telegraph (23,Thu 02 Sep 2010)
Edition: 1 - State
Section: Features
Keywords: ACCC (5)

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WHEN this photo was taken earlier this year, times were good for the trio behind TVI Express. Times are not so good now though, as they attempt to defend themselves in the Federal Court against allegations of promoting a pyramid selling scheme.

This is the first time that the ACCC has pursued civil action over an alleged pyramid scheme -- defined as when a newcomer must make a payment to an existing participant, ``induced by the prospect'' of making money by introducing more people.

Every previous pyramid scheme prosecution has been criminal in nature. But the Australian Consumer Law, which came into effect on July 1, allows for civil cases.

The maximum penalty for individuals is a fine of $220,000. Disqualification orders can also be sought.

The ACCC's legal counsel this week told the court that $315,000 had flowed into the private bank account of Lualhati ``Teddi'' Jutsen from almost 1000 people, who paid $330 to become members of TVI in the first half of 2010. This money was then transferred to a ``mysterious'' Bangkok-based company.

The deposits followed presentations to potential participants by Ms Jutsen, Tina Aroha Brownlee and David Graeme Scanlon. Would-be participants were promised a six-night holiday, plus a flight for a friend and discounts on other travel.

ACCC legal counsel Simon White SC told the court that there was either no product being sold or the product was of no value and that the presentations were mainly about ``deriving income from introducing others''.

The court was played a recording that ACCC undercover investigators made of an online seminar in which Mr Scanlon said TVI participants could develop a ``solid income pipeline'' with a ``revolving matrix''.

In the recording, Mr Scanlon said TVI was the ``Ferrari of home-based businesses'' and expanding into 10 new countries a month.

Mr White told the court that to move through the ``revolving matrix'', participants were told it was necessary to recruit others.

He said participants were promised a $US500 to $US10,000 credit into their ``e-wallet'' or rewards such as a laptop, yacht or ``luxury villa in an exotic location''.

Justice John Nicholas asked Mr White the process for converting e-wallet credits to cash. ``We are not aware of anyone being able to do it,'' Mr White said.

Speaking on behalf of all three, Ms Jutsen told the court that the ACCC case was ``deeply flawed''.

Confirmed: TVI Express is finished in state of Georgia, US

TVI Express associate provided the following scan of the actual cease and desist order:

TVI Express was given 21 days to appeal. Nothing happened, even though  headquarters was notified as soon as this letter was received. This order is now permanent and cannot be appealed.

More Hilarity: TVI Express spammer spam a spam site

A blogpost about TVI Express was found on redesinteligentes, which says it's about technology.

If you look at the categories, you'll see that it's supposedly about tech, with categories like computer games and so on.


Yet if you look at 'recent posts' you'll see stuff like wedding bands, ladies' boots, and so on. So it turned into a spam site recently. And about week and a half ago, you got that blogpost about TVI Express.



If you read the blogpost you find it's UNFINISHED. It got chopped off at the end.

If you take one of the sentences, say "Sometimes people only buy into something because they just want to BUY THE SOAP" (near the top), and search for that on Google, you get links to "rock recliner chair", ECI Powder, Flying Fish Knot... all displaying the SAME article. There's no doubt it's spam.




The article's source can't be ascertained, as there's no reliable timestamp on these blog posts. However, the theme of the post is clear: it claims TVI Express is the next big thing comparable to Amway, yet it perpetrated some major logical fallacies.


First, it claims that TVI Express is a MLM with a real product. The "buy the soap" analogy refers to Amway, that people "join Amway just to buy the soap".

"...And under them somewhere is probably going to be some people who just wanted to enjoy the TVI Express benefits and never ever refer anyone much less sponsor anyone. They just want the SOAP!"

This is a major fallacy. You don't need to join Amway to buy Amway products. You just need to buy the product from your local Amway rep. You don't make any commission for yourself or your upline that way, but you surely don't need to join Amway to buy Amway.


With TVI Express, it's even worse. It's just Travelocity underneath, and Travelocity is FREE TO USE. You don't need to join TVI Express to enjoy those benefits. In other words, instead of costing $250 to access the soap seller, it turns out the soap seller can be accessed for free.

Then the author goes off on a tangeant, claims TVI Express is NOT a scam because it gives you real benefits and it does NOT pay on recruitment, or "enrollment" as he calls it.

For all those people that think TVI Express is a scam, TVI Express does offer a nice benefit package for the price of the membership. But guess what? You don’t make money from just enrolling people into TVI Express. There is no “you get $50 for each enrollment”.

So what is the benefit package? 1) Access to "backoffice", which is FREE to use  2) 7-day 6-night vacation which is impossible to redeem, and now costs extra $150, and only available in hotels in India. It is nice... To people living in India.



How about "make money from just enrolling people"?  Sure you don't get paid per head... You get paid every 200+ heads, to the amount of $10000 USD, by cycling out of both boards.



Partial lie, but a lie nonetheless.

As both points the writer presented are false, the conclusion is bogus.